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<title><![CDATA[Piece of wood interviews tyre iron]]></title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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“A bit like a piece of wood interviewing a tyre iron.” 

 
Joe Hildebrand on Deborah Cameron]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">Joe Hildebrand on Deborah Cameron’s interview with <a title="catterns" href="http://angelacatterns.com.au/" target="_blank">Angela Catterns</a>. </span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Farming with lemons]]></title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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“His legacy left to NSW and its people will be one of largesse, folly, incompetence, ineptitude a]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">“His legacy left to NSW and its people will be one of largesse, folly, incompetence, ineptitude and inefficiency and will be incontrovertibly recorded as the worst government in NSW history. He should be looking seriously at employment post politics and I strongly suggest he consider fruit growing or becoming an orchardist as he is surrounded by absolute lemons.” </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">David Ingram, letter to Daily Telegraph. One the other hand, while the state indulges in Iemma-bashing, <a title="cameron" href="http://www.abc.net.au/profiles/content/s2128446.htm" target="_blank">Deborah Cameron</a> did say, </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;">(As quoted by Joe Hildebrand.) </span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Myth of Mars and Venus - en lista]]></title>
<link>http://kronbergskrattarochler.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/the-myth-of-mars-and-venus-en-lista/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Myth 1: women talk more than men Nonsense, says Cameron. In a popular self-help book, The Female Bra]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Myth 1: women talk more than men</strong> Nonsense, says Cameron. In a popular self-help book, The Female Brain, the claim is made that women say 20,000 words a day and men only 7,000. This statistic has been widely reported in newspapers and journals but has since turned out to be erroneous and based on no real research. It has since been removed from the book.</p>
<p>In fact a number of studies have found that men speak more than women, although others found that women speak more than men. A recent study by the University of Arizona, on a group of undergraduates, found that both sexes spoke an equal number of words a day - 16,000.</p>
<p><strong>Myth 2: men and women communicate differently</strong> More hogwash, says Cameron. Linguistic studies have shown that men and women share a 99.75% overlap in the way they communicate. If there are differences in the way the sexes communicate, they are infinitesimal.</p>
<p>The only real markers of difference between men and women are that women smile more and spell better, and it is, says Cameron, only a "moderate difference".</p>
<p><strong>Myth 3: men's and women's brains are hardwired differently when it comes to language</strong> This area, says Cameron, is more difficult. Brain scans show that, when men talk, they use almost exclusively the left-hand side of their brains, whereas women also use parts of the right side. But, according to Cameron, this has had no bearing on how we communicate.</p>
<p>The only proven effect of this neurological difference between the sexes, comes in the case of severe head injury. If men suffer an acute injury to the brain, they are more likely to lose their speech faculties than women, because other parts of the female brain are able to take over.</p>
<p><strong>Myth 4: men interrupt more than women</strong> The evidence suggests women interrupt as much as men do. Cameron argues that some men, naturally, will interrupt more than others. The dangers of grouping men together is that the differences between men and women are so slight, whereas the differences between men and other men are more interesting.</p>
<p>When, and how people interrupt, argues Cameron, is much more about power and social relations than the genetic make-up of the sexes.</p>
<p>Från boken <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mars-Venus-different-languages/dp/0199214476/ref=sr_1_1/103-8576101-7527814?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1193506017&#38;sr=8-1">The Myth of Mars and Venus </a>av Oxfordprofessorn Deborah Cameron.</p>
<p>För mer information - se <a target="_blank" href="http://kronbergskrattarochler.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/the-myth-of-mars-and-venus/">tidigare inlägg</a>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Myth of Mars and Venus]]></title>
<link>http://kronbergskrattarochler.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/the-myth-of-mars-and-venus/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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Bilderna på böckernas framsidor är från Amazon.com
Jag hörde ett intressant inslag i P1:s]]></description>
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<p align="center">Bilderna på böckernas framsidor är från Amazon.com</p>
<p>Jag hörde ett intressant inslag i P1:s OBS. Det var poeten Susanna Roxman som hade läst <em><a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mars-Venus-different-languages/dp/0199214476/ref=sr_1_1/103-8576101-7527814?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1193506017&#38;sr=8-1">The Myth of Mars and Venus: Do Men and Women Really Speak Different Languages?</a></em> av språkvetaren och Oxfordprofessorn Deborah Cameron.</p>
<p>Deborah Cameron gör upp med John Grays bok <a target="_blank" href="http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=9176088340" id="ctl00_main_frame_ctrlproduct_linkProductTitle"><em>Män är från Mars, kvinnor är från Venus</em></a> - en bok som påstår att män och kvinnor skulle vara så oerhört olika och därför knappt kan förstå varandra. Den typen av böcker var mycket populära för 15-20 år sedan, populärvetenskapliga skrifter som ofta byggde på myter och fantasier.</p>
<p><img border="0" width="1" src="http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q170/juliuskronberg/Religion/TheFemaleBrain.jpg" height="1" /></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img border="0" width="240" src="http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q170/juliuskronberg/Religion/TheFemaleBrain.jpg" height="240" /></p>
<p>När fonetikprofessorn Mark Liberman läste i <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Female-Brain-Louann-Md-Brizendine/dp/0767920104/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8576101-7527814?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1193509532&#38;sr=8-1"><em>The female brain</em> av Louann Brizendine  </a>att kvinnor använder 20.000 ord per dag - medan män endast använde 7000 ord per dag blev han misstänksam. Han spårade källan till en populärvetenskaplig bok - där författaren fritt uppfunnit siffran. Det fanns alltså ingen grund för påståendet.</p>
<p>Författaren - Louann Brizendine  bad om ursäkt - och sa att i nästa upplaga av boken skulle misstaget rättas till. Men det är så dags då. Myten sprider sig - och både journalister och populärvetenskapliga författare kan komma att hänvisa till den siffran.</p>
<p>Sanningen är snarare att skillnaden mellan män och kvinnors ordanvändande är nästan försumbar - män pratar något mer i vissa sammanhang och kvinnor något mer i andra. Men kvinnor tystnar av någon anledning när det finns män i rummet. Möjligen av hänsyn till personer som anser sig ha högre status, eller på grund av att kvinnor som pratar och avbryter män anses okvinnliga.</p>
<p><img border="0" width="1" src="http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q170/juliuskronberg/Religion/ifmencouldtalk.jpg" height="1" /></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img border="0" width="240" src="http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q170/juliuskronberg/Religion/ifmencouldtalk.jpg" height="240" /></p>
<p>Deborah Cameron reagerade också på boktiteln <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/If-Men-Could-Talk-Unlocking/dp/0316178683/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-8576101-7527814?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1193509751&#38;sr=1-1"><em>If men could talk </em></a>(av Alon Gratch). Om man skrivit en bok med titeln <em>If women could think</em> - så hade det blivit ramaskri.</p>
<blockquote><p>The literature of Mars and Venus, in both the self-help and popular science genres, is remarkably patronising towards men. They come off as bullies, petulant toddlers; or Neanderthals sulking in their caves. One (male) contributor to this catalogue of stereotypes goes so far as to call his book If Men Could Talk. A book called If Women Could Think would be instantly denounced; why do men put up with books that put them on a par with Lassie or Skippy the Bush Kangaroo ("Hey, wait a minute - I think he's trying to tell us something!")?</p></blockquote>
<p>Men frågan om kvinnor kunde tänka och om de verkligen är som andra människor (män) är inte en så gammal fråga. Den diskuteras fortfarande på vissa håll i världen. Liksom frågan om färgade människor verkligen tänker som blekare människor (den oseriöse Nobelpristagaren James D Watson har åsikter om både kvinnors intelligens, överviktigas intelligens och färgade människors intelligens).</p>
<p>Det finns också oseriösa forskare som påstår att kvinnor är bättre på att vårda - medan män är mer logiska.</p>
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<p>Även i Sverige finns personer som inte gjort avkall på denna märkliga människosyn. Den mest omskrivna är kanske Annica Dahlström (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.adlibris.se/product.aspx?isbn=9197603309">Könet sitter i hjärnan</a>).</p>
<p>Vad gäller kvinnor och män så är variationen mellan kvinnor större än mellan kvinnor och män - liksom variationerna i gruppen män. Men att skriva en bok som handlar om hur oerhört lika män och kvinnor är - det skulle inte vara lika säljande. Bokförlag och läsare vill ha populärvetenskapligt mumbojumbo - i stil med Annica Dahlströms och John Grays fantastiska fantasier.</p>
<p>"I'm afraid I think John Gray comes from Uranus," säger Cameron "It's pretty annoying that people like him have made millions peddling this nonsense."</p>
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<p align="center">Denna film tillägnar jag Annica Dahlström och andra sexistiska biologister som tror att kvinnor är bättre vårdare, att män inte har känsel i fingertopparna och inte kan städa, som tror att barn som är på dagis blir knarkare, som tror att män inte kan prata - bara sitta i en grotta och mumla ohörbara fraser. Denna film tillägnar jag alla som tror att det som sägs i filmen är på fullt allvar och inte ens garvar åt den - eftersom den bara upprepar det som ni skrivit i era "forskningsrapporter".</p>
<p align="center">Åt oss andra säger jag: håll till godo och garva gott - det är inte mycket annat vi kan göra. Såna som de kommer tyvärr alltid att befolka vårt klot.</p>
<p align="center">They will never go back to Uranus...</p>
<p align="center"><font color="#ff0000">~o~</font></p>
<p>Utdrag ur <a target="_blank" href="http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/relationships/story/0,,2180812,00.html">Deborah Camerons bok The Myth of Mars and Venus</a> - från tidningen Guardian Unlimited. Det är en ganska lång och mycket välskriven artikel. Rekommenderas.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ur artikeln: Perhaps men have realised that a reputation for incompetence can sometimes work to your advantage. Like the idea that they are no good at housework, the idea that men are no good at talking serves to exempt them from doing something that many would rather leave to women anyway. (Though it is only some kinds of talking that men would rather leave to women: in many contexts men have no difficulty expressing themselves - indeed, they tend to dominate the conversation.)</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/p1/program/sandningsarkiv.asp?date=2007-10-26&#38;programID=503">P1 OBS</a> - lyssna på inlägget som sändes den 26 oktober. Ligger ute i 30 dagar.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=618872">Forskare ifrågasätter Annica Dahlströms bok <em>Könet sitter i hjärnan</em></a> </p>
<blockquote><p>Ur kritiken: Enligt Dahlström gör mäns begränsade synfält att de inte kan uppfatta barn eller dammråttor. Vore det så förstår inte vi varför de tillåts vara piloter, taxichaufförer eller flygledare.</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=619722">Annica Dahlström svarar på forskarnas kritik</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ur försvaret: Glöm inte att vi har en hjärna som formats under miljontals år av evolutionära tryck, där omhändertagandet av avkomman spelat den mest avgörande rollen. Det är därför vi i dag fortfarande har två typer av beteenden och två typer av hjärnor, som genererar dessa beteenden. Därför lever vi i dag!</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=630959">Malin Ullgren kritiserar populärvetenskapen och Annica Dahlström</a> (och vissa journalister)</p>
<blockquote><p>Ur Malins Ullgrens kritik: Arbetsplats efter arbetsplats har i snart två decennier utsatt sina anställda för heldagsattacker av vetenskaplig grumlighet. Och så lite igenkänningshumor på det, så att reptilhjärnan och de nedärvda stenåldersprylarna ska gå in i hjärtat på publiken.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>The myth of Mars and Venus</em> finns på <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bokus.com/b/9780199214471.html?pt=search_result">bokus för 159:- </a>och på <a target="_blank" href="http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=0199214476">adlibris för 166:-.</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.english.ox.ac.uk/Staff%20Page%20Profiles/cameron.htm">Om Deborah Cameron</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.forfattarformedlingen.se/viewwriter.asp?pid=9&#38;wid=611">Om Susanna Roxman</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/non-fiction/article2587988.ece">Times online om boken</a> av Susannah Herbert</p>
<blockquote><p>Ur Susannah Herberts artikel: No wonder we like to think our problems can be blamed on a failure of interplanetary communication. It’s easier than admitting we’re all earthlings, and we haven’t a clue.</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article2602555.ece">Times online om boken</a> (samma dag) av Ed Caesar</p>
<blockquote><p>Cameron is not simply irritated that the Mars and Venus books have filled too many Christmas stockings. Her fervour on this issue runs deeper. There is, she thinks, something regressive, deeply conservative, in this outlook because what it seems to be saying is that we can't change.</p></blockquote>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp606581.pdf">Janet Shibley Hydes</a> rapport (pdf) om olikheter/likheter mellan könen. Där likheterna visat sig vara större än olikheterna. Cameron stöder sig delvis på denna rapport i sin bok.</p>
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<description><![CDATA[La femminista Dale Spender a proposito dell&#8217;idea diffusa, ed errata, che le donne parlino più]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://caminadella.wordpress.com/files/2007/10/myth.jpg" alt="The Myth of Mars and Venus" align="right" />La femminista <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Spender" title="Dale Spender" target="_blank">Dale Spender</a> a proposito dell'idea diffusa, ed errata, che le donne parlino più degli uomini.</p>
<p>La frase è citata da <a href="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:IMGwiWMtL68J:www.iuo.it/DML/doc/ProfileCameron%2520ingl%2Bital.doc+deborah+cameron&#38;hl=it&#38;ct=clnk&#38;cd=1&#38;gl=us&#38;lr=lang_it" title="CV" target="_blank">Deborah Cameron</a>, una linguista dell'Università di Oxford, nel suo ultimo libro "<a href="http://www.oup.com/uk/catalogue/?ci=9780199214471#authors" title="The Myth of Mars and Venus" target="_blank">The Myth of Mars and Venus</a>", che sarà in libreria domani. Ho letto la frase nel <a href="http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/relationships/story/0,,2180812,00.html" title="What language barrier?" target="_blank">primo</a> di tre estratti in corso di pubblicazione sul <em>Guardian</em> (oggi è uscito il <a href="http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,,2181805,00.html" title="Speak up, I can't hear you" target="_blank">secondo</a>).</p>
<p>Nel libro, la Cameron punta a smontare il mito che ci siano differenze linguistiche profonde fra donne e uomini. Secondo la Cameron, questo mito comprende almeno cinque teorie.</p>
<p>(1) Quella che le donne abbiano più bisogno di comunicare degli uomini (e che quindi parlino di più).</p>
<p>(2) Quella che le abilità linguistiche delle donne siano superiori (hanno "la chiacchiera").</p>
<p>(3) Quella che gli uomini usino il linguaggio per scopi pratici, mentre le donne lo usino per entrare in relazione con gli altri (gli uomini parlano di cose, le donne esprimono emozioni).</p>
<p>(4) Quella che gli uomini usino un linguaggio aggressivo, mentre le donne vogliano stabilire armonia e cooperazione (parole di odio vs. parole di pace).</p>
<p>(5) Quella che queste differenze sfocino nell'incomunicabilità fra i sessi (la celebre teoria di <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_Mars%2C_Women_Are_from_Venus" title="Men are from Mars Women are from Venus" target="_blank"><em>Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus</em></a>).</p>
<p>Con me la Cameron sfonda una porta aperta (sono convinto che le differenze fra donne e uomini - linguistiche e non - siano piccole), ma alcune di queste teorie sono vangelo anche per molte persone colte. Prevedo che "The Myth of Mars and Venus" accenderà polemiche o sarà del tutto ignorato. A giudicare dai due estratti, è un libro leggibile, vivace, ben documentato ma rigoroso, quindi propendo per la seconda ipotesi.</p>
<p>Dell'idea che le donne parlino più degli uomini mi ero già occupato <a href="http://lafrasemigliore.tumblr.com/post/5069560" title="La frase migliore che ho letto oggi" target="_blank">a luglio</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Aggiornamento (4 ottobre)</strong>: è uscito <a href="http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,,2182396,00.html" title="Back down to Earth">il terzo estratto</a>.</p>
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